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Willie Hood
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Yeah, just shows you can never have enough SP depth.


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DennisB
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If I can be Captain Obvious here, this team is somehow still competing, and trying to reload, with glaring MLB deficiencies at SS, 1B and centerfield. We are making do with Amed and now Miller(at maybe his weakest position) at short, Luplow, Harold Ramirez and Amed in center, and Bauers and Chang at first. If we really are reloading, and thinking that this year is our low point before our next dominant team starts becoming realized next year, you would like to think that we can have someone on the 40-man roster by the end of this year who we could at least pencil in at the three positions.

No problem at SS. Gimenez and Arias are at AAA, and Gimenez has ML experience. Our best prospect, Freeman, is tearing up AA in his first appearance at that level. One of these three is the answer here, and we may even want to pull the trigger on a trade involving either Gimenez or Arias. That still leaves us Rocchio and Martinez on the A-ball clubs.

Bauers and Chang are not the answer at 1B. Bradley deserves his shot, but he probably isn't the answer either. Noel is breaking out early at LoA. But barring a trade, the answer is probably Naylor or maybe Jones.

CF is harder. We have a trio of actual (not converted) college centerfielders in the upper levels in Kwan, Call and Brennan. Kwan is hurt, and none of the three show up on prospect lists. They can all probably be counted on to take correct routes, make the right throws and hit over the Hedges/Chang line (Hedges and Chang are duking this number out every night, on our team 😐).  Each of them have shown they can move up a level, but are currently blocked by our holding on to Zimmer and Mercado. Palacios could be an interesting conversion, Benson might be putting himself in the conversation barely, and Planez is struggling in LOA but bears watching. Halpin and Greene are in Rookie Ball.  If we want a centerfielder of our next dominant team to be out there on opening day next year, that guy is not in the system today. We need to be looking to address this first and foremost. We made a Taubensee for Lofton trade once. Might be too much to ask for again.

 


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Edible14
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Mejia is getting the start tomorrow, Morgan will be available in relief. I am quite puzzled by how they've used Mejia, who just went 1.2 innings on Sunday and has been kept in a seldom used relief role since being called up. I hope they're giving him a proper chance to get stretched out, and I hope that means that Morgan gets optioned down after tomorrow to keep stretched out in Columbus. 

It will be the third rookie getting his first start this year for the Indians (Morgan, Hentges), which they haven't done since 2013. If Scott Moss gets healthy, he might be the 4th at some point. 

They've been really erratic about keeping guys stretched out as starters vs in the bullpen. I don't know if that's a choice because of the pandemic shortened season (trying to limit the amount of innings for everyone?) or if they're just unsure about guys. Mejia, Quantrill, McKenzie, and Hentges have all been stretched out after bullpen work in the majors. You'd think they'd want to keep guys like Mejia and Morgan starting in AAA to keep ready, but instead they've chosen to do this. 

My bets are that McKenzie and Hentges at some point get sent to the bullpen. The bullpen is already pretty strong - Maton might be the weakest link and his stats are actually pretty good if you take out the times he's gone back out with more than an inning pitched (he's a short reliever that goes max effort, being miscast as a multi inning guy). So there's value for now in keeping them available as starters, but long term I think we know McKenzie's velo plays up that way. Same with Hentges. They're both weapons in that role and if this team gets to the playoffs, being able to deploy them like that would be huge. 

Outside of Bieber, Civale, and Plesac... I think Mejia and Quantrill might end up being the long term solutions for the rotation. Mejia could end up a bullpen guy too, especially come playoffs. Quantrill's stuff doesn't play up that much out of the pen, and Mejia's secondary stuff is good enough to be a starter to me. 

Moss, Morgan, and Logan Allen... need to see more. None of them throw 97 in relief so they probably should be kept as starters if only in Columbus. 


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Justin Lada
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Well the 40 man roster decision deadline sure was interesting. What are everyone's thoughts?


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Justin Lada
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Testing....who is left for the Guardians to acquire?


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Willie Hood
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Could be any number of players

Pederson, Meadows, etc. 


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DennisB
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comment test


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DennisB
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We really need to trade some prospects for a major league bat. We can fill in our part of the deal with utility infield types and rotation depth arms. Valera, Rocchio and Espino are off-limits to me. Next closest would be Williams and Tena. I'll be disappointed if we can't find a controllable bat that will be a solid starter when the next wave of kids come up.


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Mark Leffel
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When we're talking about adding a bat, corner OF would definitely be my preference. A sure bet 1B would be nice, but I feel between A-Josh Naylor, B-Bobby Bradley, C-Nolan Jones we should be able to end up with a decent 1B. I probably see Naylor as having the highest ceiling of the three if his massive power ever becomes consistent.


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DennisB
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Trying to understand the FO inactivity here. Going forward, some combination of Rosario, Palacios and Kwan could provide value in LF. Then, some combination of Chang, Miller and Clement at 2B and UIF. That would place Gimenez at SS, with Arias at AAA. At 1B, they give Bradley his last shot like they did Bauers, with Naylor next and possibly Jones. That would leave position fixes in RF and catcher. There is a gap between Hedges as a no-hit MLB C and top organizational prospects Bo Naylor and Lavastida. Could we pick up a good prospect in trade that is already seeing AAA time now--maybe even including Naylor in the deal? In RF, I am curious which outfield corner Valera best profiles in. If it's left, we need to trade for someone now who can step in and take control in right. Where is prospect Alex Verdugo when you need him? If they see Valera in right within one or two years, then they may be waiting for something to shake out from another team's roster in the next two weeks who is a clear upgrade from Zimmer. I think Zimmer, Mercado and Clement are most in danger of losing their roster spots before opening day

All this is extremely unagressive, but I could at least see it as a way forward. But if that's really the way it's going to be, there is absolutely no excuse IMO to not aggressively try to extend Jose.


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The Prosecutor
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The fact that they're talking about moving Rosario to left and giving Franmil more reps in right suggests they may not think there's an outfielder available that they like and can acquire for a reasonable price. They already tried unsuccessfully for Winker and another guy whose name escapes me. 

They may be trying to save money on the OF to use to to extend Bieber or Josey. 


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Mackie_Lundquist
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Is there a board somewhere where Guardians fans are sharing their thoughts?


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BZRD
 BZRD
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@willhoo99 So with about 2 weeks left until opening day, the 5 starters have a total of about 20 innings under their belt. What are the odds they are game ready for opening day?    Instead we keep seeing the likes of Pilkington on the mound.  Don't give me that stuff about they are working on the back lot.  It aint the same as in game pitches!  Losses in April hurt just as much as losses in September.  This is a team whose biggest offseason move was Luke Maile??  They need to be ready in 2 weeks or the famous Cleveland mantra "Wait til next year."


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The Prosecutor
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@bzrd Every team is in the same boat. The G's will be counting on McKenzie, Morgan, Hentges, Stephan, and Pilkington to piggy back and give them three solid innings on top of the starter's four innings for the first couple of weeks. 


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BZRD
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@pros Yes, every team is on an abbreviated spring training, but not every team is not stretching out their starters in favor of playing players that may never make the major leagues.  So now they say that Bieber has made his last ST appearance before the season opener.  He has thrown 4 innings in 2 appearances with an ERA in double digits, yet the website said he was impressive?  So, there are several things that could happen, most of them not good on opening day.  He goes 4 or 5 innings, the bullpen comes in and does well, or he continues is ST performance and gets bombed in 2 innings, or not being physically ready he gets taken out and misses weeks for shoulder stiffness, or he does well but the pen can't cover 5 innings.  All of this could have been avoided if he got more work in and been up to 5 innings or so.  But this is all moot since the FO did nothing in the off season to bolster an already anemic offense other than the addition of Luke Maile.  So even if the pitching staff is lights out, you can't win games 0-0


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