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GSon
 GSon
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@willhoo99

 

Agree...  the sole and exclusive purpose for the minor leagues is to develop and feed the parent club with major league ready players for the purpose of competing. If that means packaging two or three guys from  the minors to acquire a ML player.. that's what needs to be done..

The crying and hand wringing over losing what a prospect might become (Jesus Aguilar.. Anthony Santander.. etc) can't be perfectly foreseen. The club that deals a ML player and realizes the best a prospect becomes gets TWO ..not just one.. ATTA BOYZ !! 

That said.. the return for Lindor, if he is traded, has to include one ML regular, preferably, an outfielder.. Whoever comes with Lindor may become the next Kluber or Santander (simply based on so many former Indians trades) or can be packaged with some current Indians minor leaguers or major leaguers to return the "next" most important need for the club. BTW.. that could be another OF'er..

Fantasy Baseball and Simulation Games have spoiled or ruined so many baseball fans.. The dreaded disease: AmateurGM-itis allows most die hard fans into imagining baseball trades that would create several World Series appearances and wins.. Sadly.. seldom do ANY of these "deals" come to pass (most because they're just not close enough and never will be close enough to be considered even "value"..)  

..but the deal I think will work.. sending Lindor and an SP to the Reds.. who will.. blah blah blah.. AmateurGm-Itis is contagious.. 

 


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Edible14
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Lindor out to the Mets, along with Carrasco. As of right now, the Indians have the lowest payroll in the game. 

Some folks online are furious about including Carrasco, who obviously was the longest tenured player and just came back from leukemia. 

Coming back is a decent return, but certainly nothing mind blowing. 

2B/SS Gimenez probably qualifies as the headliner. I would say he's likely the opening day 2B, maybe initially in a platoon with Chang but not necessarily. 

SS Amed Rosario represents some salary coming back (arb 1, could be about $2.6m) as well as your likely new opening day SS. Rosario broke out a bit in 2019, but struggled in a small sample last year. The question eventually is how he fits long term, or if he ends up getting flipped as well maybe at this summer's deadline. 

Two young prospects coming back as well. 19 year old OF Isiaah Greene has a sweet looking swing and a high contact approach that the team likes. RHP Josh Wolf is a mid 90s pitcher with a plus curve, 12-6 action. Both sound like the kind of prospect the team loves. But obviously are years away. 


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rsamak
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Believe the Lindor trade was fair. ... Gimenez will be the SS. His 5 outs above ave. is impressive as he was not even full time until the end of season. I think it would be wise to resign Hernandez and put Rosario in the OF.


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Willie Hood
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I know that the Mets considered a move to CF in 2019 according to some Mets fans I spike with. That was before his 2019 break out of sorts. He has the arm, speed and athleticism to handle CF, RF or LF.


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DetDawg
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In a pleasant surprise, the Indians re-signed 2B César Hernández to a 1-yr contract for $5MM, with a club option for '22.  I don't know how much the club option is for, but $5MM in '21 for Hernandez is a bargain, particularly after the season he had in '20, which was over 4 WAR when adjusted for a full season.

Antonetti said that the Indians' would put the salary savings that resulted from the Lindor/Carrasco trade back into the team, and this appears to support that.


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DetDawg
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Posted by: @detdawg

In a pleasant surprise, the Indians re-signed 2B César Hernández to a 1-yr contract for $5MM, with a club option for '22.  I don't know how much the club option is for, but $5MM in '21 for Hernandez is a bargain, particularly after the season he had in '20, which was over 4 WAR when adjusted for a full season.

Antonetti said that the Indians' would put the salary savings that resulted from the Lindor/Carrasco trade back into the team, and this appears to support that.

In an article about the Rosario signing, it mentions that the club option for Hernandez is $6MM, with no buyout.  Not bad.  Regarding the Rosario signing, there is no mention of a 2nd yr option.

Sources -- Cleveland Indians agree to 1-year, $8 million deal with Eddie Rosario (espn.com)


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rsamak
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FO great job in the Hernandez and E Rosario signings to go with Gimenez and A Rosario in Mets trade. Like what we have as a lineup and assuming A Rosario can play center. 

Hernandez  2B

A Rosario  CF

Ramirez  3B

E Rosario  LF

Reyes  DH

Naylor  1B, LF, RF

Bradley  1B ?

Perez  C

Gimenez  SS

 

 


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Edible14
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I suspect they'll be starting Amed Rosario at SS, and putting Gimenez in AAA for service time reasons. Rosario being able to move to CF creates an interesting scenario to me. 

Assuming they start with one of Bauers/Naylor in LF (with Luplow helping against LHP), Eddie Rosario in RF and Mercado in CF (or possibly a platoon of Zimmer/Mercado or Johnson/Mercado). This creates multiple call up options in case of any of our more questionable guys struggling. 

If Bauers opens at LF/1B with Naylor taking the other, and struggles, you can replace him with Bobby Bradley. Or Nolan Jones. Or Daniel Johnson. 

If Mercado is your opening day CF and struggles, you can replace him with Zimmer, Amed Rosario (with Gimenez taking SS), or even Daniel Johnson.

So I suspect they're going to play the service time game with Johnson, Jones, and Gimenez. They have enough flexibility in positions to call up the best performers come June, and jettison the worst performers. They've certainly created a lot more depth of options with the trade and the two signings. 


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DetDawg
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The Indians may play some service times games with Jones and/or Gimenez, but I don't see that happening with Johnson.  The Indians still have him for 3 years before he hits arbitration, and 6 years in total.  He hasn't shown an indication that he will be more than an average position player, and most likely he'll be platooned.  If he ends up being more than that, terrific.  The Indians will derive the benefit, and he won't become a FA until he's 31 yrs old.

I've been a Mercado guy, but he's really going to have to step up from last year if he's going to hold down CF.  His quality of contact regressed, as did his ability to hit FBs.  If you can't do the latter, it's hard to be relevant, even when playing a middle-of-the-field position.

I'm cautiously hopeful/optimistic that the Indians have a diamond in the rough in Josh Naylor.  I am the opposite regarding Bobby Bradley.


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GSon
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@detdawg

 

Bradley is approaching/at the same spot Jesus Aguilar was when he was DFA'd. The only information that was found for him the usual "...he's in the best shape of his life.." claim..but.. if you look like Tarzan and play like Jane, the shape you're in is irrelevant.. Hopefully, Bradley doesn't become a player while wearing another uniform.. and he expedites Jake Bauers' departure,  instead. 


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Edible14
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I don't know if it would qualify as a service time game per se, but I think Rosario's signing likely means they are less likely to start with Johnson in the majors. Unless they decide that they want to DFA Bauers, start Bradley at Columbus and move Naylor to 1B I suppose. 

Also I'm not a fan of the trio of relievers signed by the club. All minor league deals. Heath Hembree, old friend Bryan Shaw, and DJ Johnson. I know they're just minor league deals, but all three looked incredibly washed last we saw them. There doesn't look to be any openings in the major league bullpen barring injuries, and to be honest I was more intrigued by the idea of converting a few of the starters (Allen, Hentges, Quantrill, McKenzie, maybe Mejia) to fill any holes.

They arguably needed to do this because they let a bunch of talented minor league free agents go. Jared Robinson being the main one, who signed on with the Tigers I believe. My thought was they had enough talented young arms that they wouldn't need to be entertaining the idea of adding Bryan Shaw in a pinch. But I guess they'll be thrown in Columbus and kept on standby.


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rsamak
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With the short season in 2020 all teams will have to manage the starting rotation innings. Imagine the Tribe had workout routines for them as a way to add innings but could a team have them go much above 150 innings? ... Interesting to see how teams limit innings. Will it be with spot starts, bullpen, or a 6th starter?


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DetDawg
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ESPN's Bradford Doolittle wrote an Insider's article evaluating and ranking the lineups of each of MLB's teams. 

Way-too-early 2021 MLB starting lineup rankings (espn.com)

The Indians' lineup is ranked 21st with a net loss of 2.3 wins due to the loss of Lindor, partially offset by the addition of Gimenez and the signing of E. Rosario.  The projected lineup is below.  As I've commented in a prior post, I think Mercado has to do quite a bit better than last year to remain in CF.  Also, Daniel Johnson's position in the lineup is certainly not a given.

And one note on the net loss of 2.3 wins.  I've looked at some projections for Lindor on Fangraphs' website.  Depth Charts, Steamer, and ZIPS all assume that Lindor is going to completely rebound from last year and generate offense slightly better than that in '19, and generate a WAR of 4.8 (using an average of the 3 projection systems) compared to a WAR of 4.5 in '19.  In other words, Lindor's overall projection is assumed to result in a more significant loss to the Indians offense than what he created last year when he was essentially average, with a wRC+ of 102.  I think that's overly optimistic, particularly since Lindor hasn't shown an ability to hit with RISP for more than a year and he will now be playing in a larger market with bigger expectations.  That's not to say Lindor doesn't have the ability to generate 5 WAR (or more) - he certainly has the ability.  But, he's going to have to overcome his yips at the plate to do so.  And if he doesn't, then the offense assumed to be lost by the Indians (and gained by the Mets) is going to be less than projected by these projection systems and reflected in Doolittle's article.  My personal guess is that the Indians' offense, with the additions of E. Rosario and Gimenez, a full year of Naylor, improved play from Mercado (or his substitute), and better play at the corner OF position opposite to Rosario, will be at least as good as last year's, and most likely better.  And with the loss of Carrasco, it likely will have to be.

1. Cesar Hernandez (B)
2. Jose Ramirez (B)
3. Eddie Rosario (L)
4. Franmil Reyes (R)
5. Josh Naylor (L)
6. Roberto Perez (R)
7. Andres Gimenez (L)
8. Oscar Mercado (R)
9. Daniel Johnson (L)


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DetDawg
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Trevor Bauer has reportedly signed a 3-yr, $102MM deal with the Dodgers, which pays him $40MM in '21 and $45MM in '22, with opt outs after both years, and which will apparently make him MLB's highest paid player in those years.

Trevor Bauer signing with Los Angeles Dodgers, set to be MLB's top earner in 2021, '22, sources say (espn.com)


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Edible14
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Posted by: @detdawg

Trevor Bauer has reportedly signed a 3-yr, $102MM deal with the Dodgers, which pays him $40MM in '21 and $45MM in '22, with opt outs after both years, and which will apparently make him MLB's highest paid player in those years.

Trevor Bauer signing with Los Angeles Dodgers, set to be MLB's top earner in 2021, '22, sources say (espn.com)

It's not being reported as such, but I think the $17m number in 2023 is essentially an accounting trick to lower the overall AAV for Luxury Tax purposes. So I would consider it essentially a 2 year deal.

The question now is whether Bauer will opt out after 2021, but there's so much uncertainty now that prognosticating it is essentially useless. No idea with pandemic stuff, labor unrest (possibly including a strike), and Bauer's general unpredictable nature. 

Bauer did claim in a previous interview that he bet a friend that his friend could shoot him in the nuts with a paintball gun from 10 feet away if he signed a multi year deal. So I'm hoping that ends up on video. 

 


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